- Torthal 2010/07/23 14:28:02
- yeah, attackin low lvl/much lower lvl ppl from oneself is bad.... that's what tfoote7 did right after joining TMG >.>
- Ashae 2010/07/23 03:44:14
- Actually I agree with you on this one. That's why I think it's important to protect low level players so they can grow at their own pace.
As I know how it feels to not be able to do anything against players that are just stronger and bored, and just because you hit a devil castle before they arrive they just rush your castle... It's just a game anyway, I guess.
Have a good day~
- Miaa 2010/07/23 01:39:26
- Ashae, you may have been attacked but I certainly wasn't attacking. I came to KoA 2 or 3 weeks before I was appointed leader, having attacked no one, and, being firm in my beliefs, attacked no one during your whole silly war. There are many ways to achieve unity, but being in a war you don't believe in, is not one of them. =p
- Ashae 2010/07/23 01:24:03
- I'll just repost I guess, it seems you didn't read this part but I may be wrong lol.
"Seriously, do you think we would have needed unity if nobody was attacking us beforehand? The purpose of the alliance was to synchronize our defense and retaliation mainly by using the alliance chat, to gather information from all the guilds that are in the alliance."
Also when I was talking about how was KoA at that time I meant before we made CR maybe I should have precised it as when I write in english I'm thinking in French first and it seemed understandable. So yeh like you know I'm French and English is my 3rd language
By the way, you weren't the only one that got wiped, I was pretty low level and thanks to that I wanted to be stronger. Thank you KoA.
- Miaa 2010/07/22 18:11:01
- Yes, I remember how KoA was. It was half empty. We'd had 3 leaders in a month and the guild was dumped on me 5 days before you marched on us. The people you had a case against, left the guild at the start of the server. You attacked us 3 guilds to one half empty guild, during NAT. I was one of the first people you attacked. You ganged me and wiped me out repeatedly. When I protested your alliance called me a hypocrite and mocked me for being a pacifist. At the same time, your guys were poaching in our guild, spying, blackmailing and bribing, and autoplaying, attacking little guys right and left and boasting about it.
Ashae in the current incident, you pm'd me about a KoA hero, level 12, who killed a guy with small fame. When I pm'd him he apologized and offered to pay your guy for his losses. This was a day or two after your guy bribed an NAT to attack us. It was your *cough* diplomacy that sparked this current discussion.
- Ashae 2010/07/22 17:55:27
- "Ashae, from February, when I started leading KoA, until now, you will see a long series of angry, vindictive personal attacks to and about me by your group."
Yes, of course we are bloodthirsty and would attack anyone, we created CR in order to create Chaos in Cyskar... And of course it was always one-sided.
...
Seriously, do you think we would have needed unity if nobody was attacking us beforehand? The purpose of the alliance was to synchronize our defense and retaliation mainly by using the alliance chat, to gather information from all the guilds that are in the alliance. Don't you remember how was KoA at that time?
- Ashae 2010/07/22 17:42:14
- "In fact, I contacted Ashae about this"
*cough* I think you meant I contacted you, and it was because one of your player who's top is 14 attacked a level 7 player. I don't think you would ever have contacted me if not my message.
- Miaa 2010/07/22 14:03:43
- Sushi and so-called "ancient history" matter because I, and many other KoA guildies, have been wiped out again and again by your alliance's multis and autoplayers.
How do you think a non diamond using pacifist like me gets to page 1 of fame? By being wiped out once or twice a week, duh. And how much of my gold gets used for equipping my characters? Well, the answer to that would be "none," as I have to remake my units one or more times a week.
- Miaa 2010/07/22 13:59:00
- @Dracyllion No, you did not call me a liar, but you said that neither you nor Ashae were contacted about the alleged bribery. In fact, I contacted Ashae about this. I believe you and I also spoke about Shinon and Sushi, but there have been so many leaders in TMG, it may have been Grunger I spent time with about this--you and he have a similar (decent) way of dealing with some of your guild's issues.
- Miaa 2010/07/22 13:52:06
- Ashae, from February, when I started leading KoA, until now, you will see a long series of angry, vindictive personal attacks to and about me by your group, and if you think I care by now, you are wrong. Bend over backward as much as you like to call me whatever you wish, and it will still not remove the fact that your group got where it is by cheating, including multi-ing and auto-play which continues to this day.
It's a shame that you can't see fit to investigate allegations instead of call me a liar, but frankly, by now, I would be astonished if any of you took the care to do this.
- Ashae 2010/07/22 12:14:06
- "PM's to you and Ashae result in demands to spend hours washing your dirty laundry, and accusations of lying."
Who told you to do it?
Btw, it's not accusations of lying, as you clearly and bluntly lied, and I showed you proof, but maybe it wasn't clear enough and I should resume it for you?
Seems like you're quite good at jumping out of your so-called accusations of lying. Maybe an example would be clear for everyone.
You said our ex-GM was marching for siege
I gave you proof he's not.
Then you said maybe it was on a castle hunt, and you're clearly not sure.
I said nobody had our ex-GM info but himself as he wanted to keep it for himself, since he didn't like other people to impersonate him.
Now what? Need another example? Please stop spreading rumor like that as it gives us a bad image, or is it on purpose?
Miaa please, if you don't like Shinon because she used Mithra's account that's still okay but why do you feel the need to say those lies?
- Dracyllion 2010/07/22 10:49:11
- "PM's to you and Ashae result in demands to spend hours washing your dirty laundry, and accusations of lying."
When have I ever accused you of lying? Hmm?
I also find it highly insulting that you throw around few names and then generalize it so that suddenly it looks as if most of the guild is multi-ing. Even if you agitated and frustrated, even with a good reason, you should still watch what you say, is what I believe. Even more so when you can go through with what you've written, unlike in face-to-face situations.
Moreover, I don't see ANY point at all in bringing sushi to the discussion at this point. Who's digging up old stuff now, one might ask.
As for Shinon, she has been told to stop using Mithra's account.
Any more barbed words, or can we go back to civil discussion?
~Dracyllion
- Miaa 2010/07/22 09:56:11
- Dracyllion, I pm'd Ashae about perman14 the day I got the info. Skadel, Iron, and Sunsen were pm'd about Shinon. Everyone was pm'd about Sushi. PM's to you and Ashae result in demands to spend hours washing your dirty laundry, and accusations of lying. A simple investigation from you--the duty of a guild leader--would provide you all the proof you need.
Re multis, I posted proof from Shinon's own mouth about her use of Mithra, and in Haravieka's thread you can see how she named her, erm, Mithra's, heroes. Just rename yourselves "The Multi Guild" and be done with it.
- Dracyllion 2010/07/22 07:27:09
- I find it somewhat peculiar that neither me or Ashae was contacted regarding this alleged bribery, yet it comes up in the BBS. As for the bribery itself, I'd like to know if there is anything aside from the supposedly bribed person's word to go by. If there is, I'd like to hear it. If not, then it's nothing more than word against word.
Not that any of that has anything to do with the topic.
~Dracyllion
- Miaa 2010/07/21 19:44:25
- @Ashae I was awake 3 days taking care of family business, sorry, the days ran together. You saw from the time stamps, the fallout messages from this attack continued through yesterday, though the attack was on the 17th.
@pappel I agree with you, taking the bribe is as bad as offering it. But it is your guildie who offered it, and a 3rd party (NAT of KoA) who took it. KoA was the guild harmed by both the offering and the taking of the bribe. (In KoA both offering and taking the bribe is against the rules)
- Torthal 2010/07/21 14:35:00
- sorry, forgot to paste adress >.>
this topic:
http://dragon.bg-time.com/community/bbs/qna/detail.php?q_no=1709
- Torthal 2010/07/21 14:34:18
- i do not know how about you pappel but i find one post at this topick interesting... it have no sence unless you connect it with other post
- pappel 2010/07/21 09:21:56
- only 2 things to say
1)taking the bribe is no better than offering one.
2)would love to see proofs that perman14 is multi
have a nice day :)
- Ashae 2010/07/20 23:58:39
Sushi told me he just wanted war because he was so annoyed by you. That if you would just stepped back once he wouldn't have wanted that war. And at that time I didn't know what he meant. But just chatting with you on a "few" lines, with those, should I call them "time mistakes" instead of lies...? I can sort of understand him.
Don't get me wrong I do respect you as I think you're good leader that want the best for his guild. So do I.
Have a good day~
Ashae- Ashae 2010/07/20 23:58:21
- It's getting quite tiring to chat with you as most of your replies are "ask yourself" "check your forum" "ask this person" "honestly look at..." or just talking about some past that I may not even have been there at that time, and on top of that, a past which is revolved now.
I don't know if you've bribed anyone before, but during war time your propaganda making us look like the bad guys did work well, when actually some of the high level players from your side bullied CR low level players like what happenned recently, I of course can't give proof of that in the war time but can give the one that happened recently and with the TMG player "testimony". I'm sure they've talked about "counter measure" in alliance chat and not first "starting a war".
- Miaa 2010/07/20 22:19:24
- And Ashae, btw, to me you seem like a decent person. I don't mean to put you on the line for any behavior you would not personally do, except as officer of your guild. I would appreciate it if you would quit the accusations of lying, as an honest look at your guild will easily show you the basic truth of everything I've said.
- Miaa 2010/07/20 22:15:06
- Shinon has offered bribes to quite a few people. Ask her, and again, as she's not exactly shy sometimes about her behavior, you might find evidence of this on your own websites, if you look. Maybe she's turned a different face to you than to the rest of the world, I don't know.
Several people were offered bribes of scrolls, back when scrolls were rare. Many of the KoA people who went to TMG, pm'd to say they'd been harassed so hard by TMG that they'd accepted when TMG offered to stop ganging them if they joined. Others wrote to say they'd been bribed with equipment by Sushi and Shinon. Sushi himself told me in chat that he autoplayed as well as used the above methods to force or entice people into all CR guilds (not just UW).
- Ashae 2010/07/20 21:43:51
- @ SoulCollector
Thank you, you help me breath in this lonesome thread.
And lol, you seem kind of not serious at all and a little crazy... Which is actually enough to join TMG...
Ever thought about re-joining Cyskar again? ;)
- Ashae 2010/07/20 21:40:18
- "They are part of a pattern of TMG bribery and multis which is your guild's habit, ever since you joined the CR war."
I hope you didn't mean the time when we were officially at war against you because it would be yet another lie, as CR had enough activity and manpower to handle the war, there's no reason for CR to go for bribery or multis.
It's quite funny when I read all that as most of the fact happening seems to lead to some individuals that are working either in secret or in the shadow of CR and that I'm not aware of, actually that most CR aren't aware of, maybe it's someone trying to make conflict between us, and trying to make CR looking bad. But it's quite weird actually as I'm kind of high ranked in TMG and don't know anything about it.
/paranoid mode off.
I'm sure you can pm me the player's name so I can talk to him 1 on 1, to make sure about what really happened. I hope you won't try to brief him on anything that I should not be aware of.
- Miaa 2010/07/20 20:48:17
- The point is that your TMG guildie offered a bribe to one NAT to attack another, and here is the proof:
Received Time 07-19 09:20
Hi Miaa,
The mainly reason of my attack over Winter is the gold, perman14 offer me a good quantity...
You can see when I heard about the attack, 7/19. This bribe by your guildie affected 4 guilds, not just one. The reason I don't post all the stuff which happened later is, it really is none of TMG's or the BBS's business. The reason I mention it at all is to show that this bribe by a TMG guy (which isn't an isolated incident) affects more than just the player who is bribed; and that this TMG multi (also not an isolated incident) affects more than just his target. They are part of a pattern of TMG bribery and multis which is your guild's habit, ever since you joined the CR war.
- SoulCollector 2010/07/20 19:45:47
- HO Ashae
I know where I should be doing the whole recruiting thing. I am just making fun of this thread. After all its all about nasty recruiting. LOL I gave up my account in the first server, took a 7 week break. Thats why I am behind in the second server. Well I am not that far behind. Ok maybe I am but I am hunting souls not instead of walking with death. LMAO
- Ashae 2010/07/20 19:20:50
- @ SoulCollector
I feel like you are not in the right thread if you want to recruit players but maybe I'm wrong lol. And ingame invitation is nice, you should have started Rarus when it was launched, and spammed invitations when everyone was starting. Much easier to get players.
- Ashae 2010/07/20 19:18:29
- @ Quote Miaa 2010/07/20 18:48:41
The fallout went on until here:
Received Time 07-20 04:08
I only got some reports about me taking a ressource field lol.
With most of it happening at or around this time:
Received Time 07-19 15:56
And nothing here either. Like I told you, I gave you the exact time he left TMG ingame. So I don't know what he did after that.
The actual castle taking ended here:
perman14 Attempts to Occupy Winters Castle ({2}|{3}) The-Mages-Guild － Knights-of-Asan 07-17 12:49
17th. I see. So not yesterday like you said. I got nothing after that about Perman14 anyway.
- SoulCollector 2010/07/20 19:13:47
- Hello people I am trying to recruit players to my guild and no one is coming...................... Do I have to in-game in-vite in-definately until I rule the largest guild?
- Miaa 2010/07/20 18:48:41
- @Ashae
The actual castle taking ended here:
perman14 Attempts to Occupy Winters Castle ({2}|{3}) The-Mages-Guild － Knights-of-Asan 07-17 12:49
The fallout went on until here:
Received Time 07-20 04:08
With most of it happening at or around this time:
Received Time 07-19 15:56
Your guild reports would be on the 17th (server time). I am not detailing the fallout messages, there were dozens. There are a bajillion attacks by perman14 and his multis in your battle reports, so it shouldn't be too hard for you to find them.
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